I'm so proud of the work he's done and who he is and how far he's come - and just a thing that he deals with and why I'm - you know, people have a lot of thoughts and opinions on psych meds and everything. So it is more of a romantic comedy, and it can be more about, what does love mean? Talk about the process of writing that. STRONG: (As Melissa Gimble) Come on, could be fun. STRONG: (As The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a Party) Here's a thought, Michael - maybe try being woke for a change, OK? You have to do people that everybody knows. It went to dress and not to air - and then kind of like, well, I don't know that we'll ever get to do that again. The reason there's a nomination is because it was a really strong year during a really tough time. And she recommends the corn puddin'. Thea Chaloner directed today's show. I mean, first of all, it's really funny to have someone who hates musicals be stuck in a musical but also for him to be the eyes and ears of the people unlike me, who don't love musicals. I was a new cast member. GROSS: How were you introduced to music of that period? I think there's nothing more thrilling than hearing Terry Gross likes (laughter) your show and (laughter) enjoys it and has joy from it. And they're sitting on the porch and about to have breakfast, and they're asked if they want some corn pudding. And we failed. PAUL: (Laughter) I guess it was more appropriate for me growing up in Phoenix. And my mom made a little poster for me for my room growing up that said Cecily on Broadway. She helps our kids to punctuate. It's so, like, vaudeville era. We're leaving. STRONG: (As The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation with at a Party) And I'm sorry. We're going to make him watch it for a podcast. I am just trying to figure out how to get out of here and get back to reality. But I was just always performing around the house. And we'll also hear the Cecily Strong character kind of join in in a verse, much to the Keegan-Michael Key character's annoyance. And now she's appearing in New York in a limited-run production of Jane Wagner's "The Search For Signs Of Intelligent Life In The Universe." She is also the longest-tenured female cast member in the show's history. So I've gotten to see a lot of his . GROSS: (Laughter) The music is kind of like a hoedown. I'm Terry Gross, and this is FRESH AIR. He co-wrote, co-created and wrote all the songs for the satire of musicals called "Schmigadoon!" I rented every musical on VHS they . They get lost in the woods, cross over a bridge and suddenly find themselves on what looks like a backlot movie set of a small town in the early 20th century, a town called Schmigadoon. I know from your new memoir that when "Saturday Night Live" did some episodes with everybody at home, that you were - you didn't want to participate at first, and you didn't do one or two of the shows because you just didn't feel ready to perform, I mean, because you really were in a serious state of depression and anxiety. KEY: (As Josh Skinner) Are you serious? And you know, there is still an element of, like, you're playing with your friends. This past summer, Strong published a memoir called "This Will All Be Over Soon." I mean, when I was growing up in Brooklyn, I thought people in movies and on Broadway were, like, from another planet. Yum. ., directed by Leigh Silverman (Lifespan of a Fact, Violet), explores American society, art, power, and the feminist movement through a series of characters. STRONG: Yeah. UNIDENTIFIED CHORUS: (As characters, singing) Corn puddin'. STRONG: No. And, you know, their - a lot of their movies were kind of musicals. The same year, she starred in, and was a producer for, Schmigadoon!, a musical parody series on Apple TV+. And for her, it's all these really positive qualities. It was all just this crazy bad timing. I saw "Guys And Dolls." Being a regular member of The Second City and iO Chicago. I think there's nothing more thrilling than hearing Terry Gross likes (laughter) your show and (laughter) enjoys it and it has joy from it. During this final week of the year, we're featuring a few of the many interviews from 2021 that we enjoyed. And I think, because my - we'd already gone through things with my brother. We - Ken and I, you know, played music all the time when we were writing. He co-created, co-wrote and wrote all the songs for the series "Schmigadoon! That's just so funny. I appreciate it. GROSS: But the mayor's wife sings a song that's called "He's A Queer One, That Man O' Mine." So you're back on Fox. Lily Tomlin, the original star and Tony Award winner of 'The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe, poses with the star of the L.A. production, Cecily . And in many ways, that was Ken. And I was talking about something else, and then I sort of made fun of myself, like, yeah, because, you know, that's - well, that's an important thing for society to hear or something. This was performed after Pirro made anti-Muslim remarks about Representative Ilhan Omar. And whenever a musical theater song would somehow pop up in my mix, he would say, skip. We'll hear from the co-creator of "Schmigadoon!" I'm still trying to wrap my head around all of it. - the loving satire of '40s and early 1950s musicals. STRONG: (As Melissa Gimble, singing) Never had corn puddin'. Thirty-seven cents - it must not be very good, something that - and then I made a face like, huh? If you're just joining us, my guest is Cecily Strong. GROSS: They didn't connect to the world I lived in. Otherwise, it's hard to get an impression on the show. It kind of felt like that a little bit. And my mom made a little poster for me for my room growing up that said Cecily on Broadway. Like, I'm so proud of the work I've done. If I think that he's laughing at something, I'll want to hit that harder. GROSS: He was dealing with a lot of mental health issues? Producer Ed Strong (bottom right) and his wife, Laurel Strong (bottom l.), take a break from celebrating to pause for a photo with their son Owen Strong, friend Cayenne Douglass, niece Cecily . GROSS: And he's not just a Broadway producer. That's called a bubble standard. And you had a boyfriend who got a bad case of COVID, but fortunately not bad enough to end up in the hospital, and he recovered. GROSS: Did you get to meet the actors? And we were making the sets and making our props and hair and makeup, so it was really - we had a fun little make believe studio here. GROSS: This is FRESH AIR. A powerful memoir from the Saturday Night Live cast member Cecily Strong about grieving the death of her cousinand embracing the life-affirming lessons he taught heramid the coronavirus pandemic. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #4: (As character, singing) Who wants corn puddin'? GROSS: So let's hear a clip of you doing Jeanine Pirro. You know, that PAUL: I'll tell you. - for the greater world - someone else can judge - luckily or not, but she became more popular and more of a household name. (Credit: Apple TV+) "It was an easy yes for me to do this . And so - but everything that is evidence that he's gay, she sees as a really positive quality. SNL cast member Cecily Strong's recent The View interview has got fans wondering about her dating life. Let's get back to my interview with Cinco Paul. GROSS: So let's hear a clip of you doing Jeanine Pirro. I was so, like, mad that no one was letting me have my rehearsal. KEY: (As Josh Skinner) I didn't say that. GROSS: One of the things in some musicals is - the love affairs in some musicals, I think, would be considered pretty age-inappropriate now, like, for example, "The Sound Of Music," where, like, she's a young nun who's just left the convent. COLIN JOST: (As himself) Fox News personality Judge Jeanine Pirro returned to television tonight after being suspended two weeks for controversial comments about a Muslim congresswoman. And it's like, this is still when New York City is really the epicenter, and our show is so about New York City. STRONG: (As Melissa Gimble, singing) And it may be a waste. It's an ode to those songs. I think you have a shout-out to that. How did it affect your sense of self to be arrested and to be expelled and to think, maybe, you wouldn't even graduate high school? Will Get Your Toes Tapping, So Sing Along If You Know The Words. GROSS: So the Cecily Strong character loves musicals. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #2: (As character, singing) Every steak's bound to have some fat. You know, really, we talk about escapism, and I had real-life escapism where I flew into this beautiful, magical land of Vancouver, where there's, like, water and mountains and big trees. I feel like my bubble just burst recently. ; Making an appearance at the Chicago Sketch Fest, Chicago Just for Laughs, New York Sketchfest, Edinburgh Fringe Festival, Goodman Theater, Bailiwick Theater, Mercury Theater, and Virgin Daiquiri with an all-female improv troupe. So we did her on "Update.". I should really just drink olive juice; it'd be safer. (SOUNDBITE OF RICHARD RODGERS' "'OKLAHOMA!' What did you do to try to capture her voice? now and Cecily's character really likes to get involved in people's lives, she helps push him to, you know, proclaim to the whole town who he really is. Strong achingly conveys her fears of loss and uncertainty, as well as the emotional scars left by a physically . GROSS: Were you thrilled to be doing a commercial? UNIDENTIFIED CHORUS: (As characters, singing) We want corn puddin'. GROSS: And he's not just a Broadway producer. And I started, you know - I would - I had to tell my mom because there was a couple of nights - I shared a car with my brother at this time. STRONG: No. And Alan does such an amazing job with this character and really gives him depth and heart in a way that elevates it even beyond, you know, what I'd hoped he'd bring. I got the recipe. And you're being, you know, waited on by a - you know, a very lovely, very young (laughter) waitress. The six episodes follow a couple (played by Strong and Keegan-Michael Key) stumbling upon the titular magical town trapped in a Golden Age-era musical, and star an A-list cast of Broadway greats . The townspeople are singing and dancing as if they're in an old musical. You bought some weed with a friend, put it in your backpack, then school security discovered the backpack, and you were actually handcuffed and arrested? But I want to play the theme song from this because I think it's you and Ken actually singing the song. I mean, when I was growing up in Brooklyn, I thought people in movies and on Broadway were, like, from another planet. And it was hard - you know, I had theater, thank God, and really was comfortable in that world. Directed by Barry Sonnenfeld. So somebody at Fox News said my name into a bathroom mirror three times, and here I am. It's streaming on Apple TV+. And it's been great to talk with you. These Cecily Strong "SNL" performances were more than strong. Good. GROSS: Some musicals have really corny scenes in them, and the kind of scene that always bores me is the picnic scene where it's like, this was a real nice clambake. But apparently, according to the leprechaun, this isn't true love. (SOUNDBITE OF DON BYRON'S "SHAKE 'EM UP"). And you can't have love without having a lover's spat. He's a hard man to know, it seems - different. So, you know, I'm - I would love to do it. Mean, horny men lying on in-home hospital beds and white prison gangs who control the remote on Saturdays, thank you for watching. STRONG: Yeah. And so I want to play that scene 'cause it'll give a sense of how people just kind of break out into song around you and how you sometimes just chime right in. STRONG: (As Jeanine Pirro) I'm Judge Jeanine Pirro, and it's up to you to decide just what my whole deal is. (As characters, singing) Just 'cause you feuded don't mean that you're concluded. Like, where did you grow up? 'Schmigadoon!' star Cecily Strong and co-creator Cinco Paul embrace musical satire The Apple TV+ satire series . No - 'cause I - I mean, we shot in - last fall. And "Corn Puddin'" suddenly came to me as just a - it's kind of the perfect representation of these sort of songs like the - it's "A Real Nice Clambake." The men are dressed like they're in old-fashioned barbershop quartets. GROSS: Were you surprised that you told your mother about how you were feeling and about having thoughts about suicide? Her characters have included Fox News host Judge Jeanine Pirro, Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer, Melania Trump and the girl you wish you hadn't started a conversation with at a party. So we just were relying on testing. You put the corn in the puddin' and the puddin' in the bowl. The show was filmed in Vancouver, Canada. In this scene, the couple keeps trying to escape Schmigadoon by crashing back over the bridge while bickering about their relationship. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #3: (As character, singing) You can't eat a fish without getting some bones. So - but talk about writing this and what you wanted to do with it. The couple, Josh and Melissa, are played by Keegan-Michael Key and Cecily Strong. And she's vaccinated. In case you are wondering about his identity, Jack is an international traveler. And I think it's wrong to throw those kids out. She's always got a very gravely serious affectation. UNIDENTIFIED CHORUS: (As characters, singing) And then he gives her a smack. He's so different from other men. Like, he's just - when he's managing it, he is the most delightful, wonderful - my brother is, like, one of my favorite people in the world. STRONG: (As Melissa Gimble) Oh, I think they want us to take a verse. in season Host(s) Musical guest Original air date U.S. viewers (millions) 931: 1: Miles Teller: Kendrick Lamar: October 1, 2022 (): 4.02: Kendrick Lamar performs a medley of "Rich Spirit" and "N95" for his first set and "Father Time" with Sampha for his second.Jon Hamm and Shaun White appear in the cold open. And we wrote a sketch, actually, that didn't make it onto the show. And it opens with, you know, two friends hiking through the wilderness, and they're hiking over the countryside. UNIDENTIFIED CHORUS: (As characters, singing) You put the corn in the puddin' and the puddin' in the bowl. She stars in the new series "Schmigadoon!" (SOUNDBITE OF TV SHOW, "SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE"). STRONG: I mean, I think I just felt smaller and smaller and smaller. STRONG: (As The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a Party) Hello, Michael Che. We're leaving. And I was talking about something else, and then I sort of made fun of myself, like, yeah, because, you know, that's - well, that's an important thing for society to hear or something. UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR #2: (As character, singing) Every steak's bound to have some fat. But also, really, in many ways, the mayor's story is at the heart of the show 'cause he is one of these characters that, back in the day, could only be queer coded, you know, and - but because we have modern characters in "Schmigadoon!" . STRONG: Yes. STRONG: (As The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a Party) Here's a thought, Michael - maybe try being woke for a change, OK? Here with her final thoughts on this election is the Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a Party. You have to do people that everybody knows. She is best known for being a cast member of Saturday Night Live. And then it ends in a very - you know, Ann does an amazing job with the song, and it ends in a really sweet spot - right? GROSS: I love the way mansplaining becomes, like, don't man-terrupt me. Cecily Strong is a total theater geek.. So like, the reality - COVID was real to you. CINCO PAUL AND KEN DAURIO: (Singing) Make him watch it. Did you get to go backstage? In her second season, she co-anchored "Weekend Update" with Seth Meyers and then Colin Jost. Corn, corn, corn, corn, corn puddin'. GROSS: Oh, that's nice of you to say. I got the recipe. GROSS: That was another scene from "Schmigadoon!," which stars my guest, Cecily Strong, and Keegan-Michael Key. GROSS: So I want to ask you about another character that you've done, and that's the Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation With at a Party. I'm sorry. STRONG: I said no, actually, at first to going to Vancouver and shooting because I was - I really was afraid, you know? It was like as soon as I started singing, I knew what to say. And - yeah. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. And I think she's doing well. In this scene, the couple keeps trying to cross the bridge and escape Schmigadoon while bickering about their relationship. She grew up visiting him backstage . It's streaming on Apple TV+. . But to then think I'm - not only do I not fit in, I'm not welcome. GROSS: My interview with Cecily Strong was recorded in August. STRONG: (As Melissa Gimble) But not together. GROSS: There's times on "Update" when Colin Jost has been laughing, like, so hard because you're so funny. And is it hard for you to keep a straight face when he's having trouble keeping a straight face? Was it your idea to do her, or did someone say, oh, you should do her? UNIDENTIFIED CHORUS: (As characters, singing) Oh, she sure would like a taste. and "The Lorax.". And she told me I was looking at the world with S - I can't swear - with crap-colored glasses. She's nominated for an Emmy for her work on "Saturday Night Live." And it is - it still feels a bit like controlled chaos, on "Update" especially, where it feels kind of fresh, and we're not exactly sure what's going to happen. I mean, it's certainly stuck with me. FRESH AIR's executive producer is Danny Miller. This is FRESH AIR. She has over 500k followers on her Instagram. So I think that led to my love of these 1920s songs, you know, the Tin Pan Alley stuff. Originally broadcast Aug. 9 and Aug. 23. She's taken all these concepts and just turned them into something confusing and wrong that she's very passionate about. And so she was devastated when, in early 2020, he passed away at age thirty from the brain cancer glioblastoma. Disha Kandpal. UNIDENTIFIED CHORUS: (As characters, singing) My guy loves corn puddin'. You don't land a job with SNL without being funny. I never wanted the songs to be too jokey, if that makes sense. was a lifetime in the making. Like, who cares? She was playing Fox News' Judge Jeanine Pirro, a frequent highlight of "Weekend Update," sloshing her booze onto co-anchor Colin Jost . Congratulations on "Schmigadoon!" (Carolyn Van Houten / Chicago Tribune) . You're nominated for an Emmy for your work on "SNL," and so are some of the other cast members. 'Cause "Kevin Can Wait," but Syrian referees can't, OK? From now through February 6th she's performing a one woman, many dozens of characters play at The . GROSS: Had you been vaccinated when you shot the series? GROSS: That's really funny. In October of 2021, it was announced that Cecily will make her New York stage debut in an off-Broadway production, The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in . I mean, it's real to most people, but, I mean, you saw the worst that could happen. So right away I was like, oh, God. GROSS: Oh, you wrote the song? It's about her life during the first year of the pandemic, when she felt overcome by anxiety and depression. Seven of the comedy sketch show's cast members left the . GROSS: A turning point in your young life (laughter) was in 1999 when you were a sophomore in high school. And you're being, you know, waited on by a - you know, a very lovely, very young (laughter) waitress. And this is how important it is to manage it. That's all. Cecily Strong and Keegan-Michael Key star as a couple of trying to reinvigorate their relationship by going on a hike designed for couples who need to reconnect. GROSS: Like, among the shows he did was terrific revivals of "Music Man," which is, of course, referenced (laughter) in "Schmigadoon!" Saturday Night Live's Cecily Strong stars in the new production of Lily Tomlin and Jane Wagner's "The Search for Signs of Intelligent Life in the Universe." . We'll be right back. GROSS: To shoot and be in these, like, exuberant, like, joyful production scenes? And we both enjoy malapropisms, I think, as much as each other, so it's a lot of that. Our countdown includes Princess Jasmine, Gemma, Cathy Anne, and more! Strong mentioned that her uncle is a Broadway producer in a 2021 interview with Terry Gross on the NPR program Fresh Air, thus she was able to see several Broadway productions as a child and even go backstage . 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