We dont know if He will allow Harvest not to crumble. Todays Christians are weak and show Satan how powerful he is when their own Church is faced with trouble. Brave. I didnt want to upset James. Thats when eight former elders sent a letter to the sitting elder board, warning them that MacDonald was disqualified for office, she said in a response posted Wednesday. I was pleasantly surprised to find that you know each other. I believe Yahweh has me where He wants me. Still, things seemed off. Did you realize the pastors publicly said sorry last weekend? Our GOD is an awesome GOD. There are always two sides to every story not really believing your story and if someone is a Christian you would talk about this with some Church leaders not blow it all out in public its sad that it was done that way that isnt what a Christian would do it is what a secular person would do. Congratulations on your freedom, Lina! God help those who cant see their need to be set free or judge those whove found it in Christ Jesus. The elders ordered church members to separate themselves from dissenters for fear of their souls; called MacDonalds critics behavior satanic to the core; and accused them carrying out an attack by Satan against MacDonald and Harvest. He was a ruler of his churches. *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. The ungodly jockying for power and control is still an issue in all our churches. It helps to be able to talk about it instead of feeling like you have to hide it, or just deal with it. It seems to have so many cracks in the structure. While I have no say in the future of Harvest, it is ridiculous to think that any healthy future can take place until the cancer is removed. What she shared was the kindest message I have ever seen. The message we received was they were sorry we felt that way and they were sure it was not his intention. 34You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good? Thank you for your vulnerability. Thanks for being so honest. The recognizing date of the exempt status is April, 1972. I have multiple thoughts. Dont find that in the Bible. This decision was made with heavy hearts and much time spent in earnest prayer, followed by input from various trusted outside advisors.. God bless. When this happens, there is tremendous spiritual and emotional wounding. On February 13th, the elders at HBC fired MacDonald, citing highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald that were given to media the day before. How about some GRACE !!! Id like to think its the fear of man spoken about in the Bible but I think it often goes beyond that. I am thankful for JESUS that used Pastor James in my life. In any case, we had a final meeting with the pastor and his assistant pastor (who was his son-in-law) to tell them that I was leaving their church. Your mission and your ministry is beautiful and changing lives. Not everyone is so blessed, and for those of you who have left HBC and have had to find a new local church, there are healthy ones out there. Most continue to stay there, as their numbers dwindle. I follow Jesus in His Strength the best I can in the light He has given me. In his remarks this week, he says he confessed his relational failings multiple times, but still lost longtime friends and ministry partners to Harvests narrative. I no longer help lead a larger mens ministry. Lina, thank you for your honesty. Another church on The Lord's Way is on its way out. Thank you for your story Dr. Lina, and thank you for shedding light on your fears, and your full confidence in the Lord at the end of the day. Nellie, please dont be taken in by putting people on a pedestal (very sad.) How important it is to pray pray pray and check on our leaders also of their growth in Christ and what our church mission is and to stay biblical, not political but biblical. http://www.issendai.com/psychology/sick-systems.html. She put words to my feelings and I am truly blessed by them. Open your eyes and feel the heat of the refiners fire. 3:48. Can Bubble Tea Bring Gen Z into the Chinese Church. When is God pleased at his church? It was love at first sight!! Be blessed Lina! The church is to be a living organism for the cause of Christ and no other. The Lord has used you mightily before, during and after your exit from the toxic leadership at Harvest. Thanks for finally being honest. Let us pray God will send His Spirit upon us and cure us of this. Persecution is supposed to come from the world with the devil behind it, as Jesus said. When I asked questions at the Harvest I attended I was told to be careful what I read on the internet. God loves truth. :) I met my husband about 5 yrs ago and he had been attending faith community church for a bit. Im thankful you and so many others I know have left with dignity and after a bit of healing have jumped back into churches where they are serving the Lord with all their hearts using the gifts God has given them so faithfully. Everyone sat still as if he mentioned chocolate milk. I am no one special here. What Can Christians Do About Climate Change? Not cool to kick people when they are down. This cancer must be excised and as often as is the case in cancer treatment, months of treatment must be involved for health to take place. We have now been without a fellowship for nearly a year (we are missionaries in Europe) because I do not want to join a happy clappy crowd who would not know the Word of God were it to bite them nor do I want to join a fellowship where the Word is extremely well known but there is no life, no joy. and pro football. Did you see the link to my web page. Subscribe to CT She is sharing her heart and personal experience in an open, vulnerable way, in kindness and love. Lina, a number of years ago I was reading one of your books while waiting for Gordon Z. to join me for lunch. Thank you Yahweh. But a true Christian focuses on Christ and His Word. Or share it. It was simply not possible. Im one of the people who asked you to share why you left. Harvest launched a radio show; founded a Christian school with over 700 students; built its own retreat center; produced feature-length films; wrote its own worship songs; and created its own. I also trust that you did seek wisdom from the Lord on what and how to speak into this. The sin that has taken place does not negate the awesome work that God has done, and it pains my heart to hear people act as if it does. I cant imagine a culture in which you felt such fear. One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. Truth heals. There the preacher has no real power at all. Now its a big business with Harvest all over the states. Seriously? Sometimes being good will also mean being nice, but sometimes it will not. It may not be warm and fuzzy but speaking truth, especially when compelled by the Spirit, is never wrong. In the wake of his departure, the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability acknowledged serious concerns around spending and financial stewardship under MacDonald that resulted in the church losing its membership status. Your studies are strong biblical studies. Wow Nancy K, after all that has been said and done, seemingly over many years, it is startling to me that you would make such a commemtWow, Why? Jesus desires mercy and not sacrifice. Linas post is still available on other mediums, I imagine if she wanted to link it she would have. The fired senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch is contending, in a new lawsuit, that an attorney and accountants hired by the church took part in a "smear . I can see you have regret for not having the courage to do it then but youre working to make up for it by speaking now. I hope they succeed in bringing people back to the church! No one seems to be able to discern right from wrong anymore. I am sure that was very hard for her to share . I have my own hurt of how certain situations were handled with me through the 20s ministry Then soon after that, the 30s ministry, production ministry and even the womens ministry on multiple occasions. It is a shame to Christianity what is happening here. He grew the church from 18 members to more. The eight former elders who signed the letter alleged that that Harvest ran a puppet elder board; that a culture of fear and intimidation plagued the church; and that the elder board, which was supposed to be responsible for overseeing the churchs finances, was not granted access to financial information. It is not with the powerful; it is those whom the powerful make to feel like theyre nothing. When you are in a position where fear dictates the position you cannot speak out while under that. In fact, he is the one who is no longer pastoring. In my lowly position, I have said, like others, I would have put my head in the sand and continued to do the job God gifted me to do in the interest of the body. Nellie, you know what Lina went through in prep for this how? I, like you, am so thankful for how God has worked in me and my family through the ministries at Harvestincluding the teaching and selfless service of Lina, and so many others (some who have left, and some who chose to stay). I have 3 small groups now that are like this but we lack music. Thank you for opening up your home so that hurting people could come together and share. Why do you say you have a lack of music?. Id be interested in reading you blog on tattoos. This did not happen to James, he did this, by sinning repeatedly. Its hard no impossible- to do everything with the right motivation. He has harmed thousands of people. see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book. Who Will Pay for the SBCs Abuse Reforms Over the Long Term? Christians! As of November, 2021, HBC is $34,000,000 in debt. At this point, Im not sure what else your thread can accomplish. Each weekend, services include live, vertical-focused worship. But dont shame others who speak up. I am airing on the side of no. Why not start a different type of church that is not pastor directed? I dont understand how anyone could watch that video and not immediately know that something was very, very wrong. One thing that has helped is recognizing seasons. This woman sounds sincere. That timeline accelerated, when on Tuesday morning highly inappropriate recorded comments made by Pastor MacDonald were given to media and reported, they wrote. This included an abusive and fear-based culture where those who question leadership are punished, she writes. It is loving to tell the truth. Why if it wasnt really a real sinful mess would so many in leadership just exit and give up what was a big part of our lives and our kids lives? Lina has every right to speak her truth . I think God has not lifted the veil on a lot of eyes for some reason. Dan was a part of this elder board with these 7 elders and he details only some of the fraud . Many are in or have been in denial. It wasnt that we saw corruption in our church. Hang in there. The unrest at Harvest began in the fall of 2013, when two elders were excommunicated and another was indirectly censured, Roys writes. Jesus taught eternal love. The fallout has only just begun. Yet their silence hurt me and sometimes made me question the validity of my reasons for leaving. We are stunned at the response of our pastor and a ministry leader who have declined to meet us as God directs us in Matthew 18. As a nation, something painful will bring us back. Because these leaders will continue this false deceitful way of life that flows from them so seamlessly, so easily, and with such persuasiveness. Specifically, I do mean the Machiavellian rule by fear and division that we are seeing. Attempts to reconcile the situation failed due to the pastor believing he had done nothing wrong. Im praying for you. Nice to hear from you again! Thank you for your openness and sharing! Were you bullied by those elders named? This post drips of mercy. He is angry that they keep on sending texts and emails asking for money. I used to go to a church in AZ pastored by Jon Gaus. However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. In one fellowship people were actually warned to have nothing to do with us, and yet all we had done, in each instance was to ask questions. Fear that your leaving would damage those you ministered to. For years, they had been made to feel like the outcasts, but finally vindication in its godly form was working its way out. Nellie, God bless you. Pray and console those whose faith has weakened from this. Though MacDonald has been granted the rights to his Walk in the Word ministry, he and Harvest remain at odds. My daughter had been bullied by both Luke and James, in the presence of other adults, several times over her years in the youth group and yet I did not leave. I have lived with fear in my life almost my entire life. I was so dissappointed to hear that she left. This isI believewhy the American church has lost its effectiveness. Also I Cor. Thank you for adding your voice to the now chorus of voices calling for a time of judgment and reform. Harvest Bible Church is a non-denominational, non-charismatic, evangelical Protestant church located in Northwest Houston in the Cypress community. who we really love. But should never be a pastor again! How do you know it wasnt done with fasting and with prayer? Until recently, I thought I had escaped my fear by leaving Harvest, but I was still afraid. and stay glued to founded and genuine monetary purchase services. When we left, after having posted a letter to the elders, not a single person called us to see how we were doing. *For the mouth speaks out of that which fills the heart. I am sorry I am so late to discover this article but I had to respond to this comment. I, too, have friends who have never once asked how I am or why I left. Others have asked, but immediately defend the senior pastor and church. Thank you for your honesty and your explanation. I still would like to read the blog on tattoos. God is sovereign, He is the Healer, He is the Restorer, He is the Renewer, and He will continue to do what He is doing in order to bring about His will for His people. If you know anything about abusive relationshipsHBC is in the honeymoon phase right now.look it up!! He was the senior pastor of Harvest Bible Chapel megachurch in Rolling Meadows, Illinois, United States [1] [2] and was the host for the church's former broadcast ministry, Walk in the Word . Dont you think this influences decisions made by the leaders, both now and before? These patterns were present and recognized as early as 2012, and nothing was done about them. A former Harvest staffer was also reported to police last fall after being accused of embezzling $270,000 from the church. I believe you spoke up now to show how far reaching the powerful words and actions of those in authority goes. I remember when I saw the tattoo that James got and I remembered the line from The Davinci Code about the Chevron symbol. I think that this message has relevance to many situations today, including the present political situation. I do not believe your timing should be questioned. Pastor James MacDonald preaches at Harvest Bible Chapel. Connect With Us! And even then, it often doesnt work because so many remain enthralled with the narcissist, or have tied their fortunes to them, that they simply cant or wont see the truth. MacDonald defended the decision to sue fellow believers in an opinion piece published inChristianity Today,which also published criticism of MacDonald. Do You Really Have to Go to Church Every Sunday? Hence the Response Statement Regarding Pastor James and Anne Green yesterday on HBC in the news. In the clips, the person who sounds like MacDonald talks about a plot to plant child pornography on Christianity Today CEO Harold Smiths computer. We just determined to treat the circumstances as a loving God giving us a different direction. I believe Lina did do the best she could at the time. Praying for you, many blessings for all you do. The reason there are spiritual Pol Pots that number in the thousands like our friend James McDonald is because men are happy to give themselves authority. And where I live that mostly rules out every English speaking church there is! And it wasnt just some random bloggers saying these things, either. The pastor also gets $1.2 million and a parcel of property in Crystal Lake, Illinois, as well the ministrys equipment, books, and digital resources, the church announced this week. Most of my friends as well. I really doubt theyre sending texts and emails asking for money. I dont know why, except that I just really wasnt getting the Word of God from the stage and I do mean stage. Harvest used that phrase to manipulate the congregation. He kept telling me that I didnt understand authority and I was in rebellion. Often it was the leadership that lost track and influenced the group. And you will not lose true friends and sisters in Christ. 35The good man brings out of his good treasure what is good; and the evil man brings out of his evil treasure what is evil. I dont appreciate you getting political this has nothing to do with it.. Are you referring to the Democratic Party? So great to see your support with your wise comment. Until recently, I was 8 year member of HBC and I feel so sad, confused, betrayed. There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. In the early 2000s, Harvest embarked on an ambitious expansion plan, aiming to form "10 churches in 10 years." Since then the church has opened locations in Elgin, Highland Park, Niles, Crystal. I love Dr. Dobsons admonition that while it is tempting to want to get out of a painful situation, often the only way out is through. There is no timing to sharing pain. I was wrong. However, 2 of the groups meet in Panera Bread. You did the right thing and I believe more will step up not to dishonor James, but noticing how much the church has changed. A final incident in Roys article involves MacDonald publicly berating HCA students, an incident witnessed by Harvest videographer Luke Helmer. Ive been asked, what would I do if I were still on staff. Something happened to us some years ago and a number of people turned against us because of lies, etc. Could you provide me with a link please. The news came less than a week after another update from Julie Roys, a defendant in the lawsuit and the writer responsible for the World investigation, who has continued to release evidence against MacDonald and call for his resignation. Saying he had hit a "wall of exhaustion" in June, Lead Ministry Pastor Greg Bradshaw said he is not only leaving Harvest, but also the ministry. He kept going back to you disobeyed the pastor so youre wrong (me in this case for talking to the youth and his mom about it after it happened). 12:18) as while working through this year-and-half-long process of transition. Sitting in the pews, I could not see how deep the cancer was at HBC. If you have something to recommend I read that would help me in this area, Lina, I would appreciate it. We have seen this very truth of Jesus teaching publicly demonstrated by Mancow and many other witnesses. Pray for the church and the people! I am grateful for your courage. When you started, you (and others) mentioned the cult of personality that James benefitted from. The only hope is to totally exposed and excise it so that all will not be consumed. Plus Lina Abujamra on Why She Left Harvest Bible Chapel | Wondering Eagle, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN1 WP, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall Urban Christian News, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall BCNN2, How Christians Care for One Another When Their Leaders Fall | BCNN1 Black Christian News Network, From Mars Hill to Harvest: Hope for a Wounded Church Bible Talk. My current church I actually joined, unlike Harvest, and have been there five years and counting now. Everything that is painful for everyone and anyone has been talked about endlessly for weeks. You also restrained and could have said much more and didnt. I left for the Truth of Orthodoxy! out of fear you complied I think he forgot Whose ministry it was. Publicizing viewpoints rejected by the elder majority for any reason is satanic to the core. This is why Jesus did not come to this present church environment. Thats what happens when I get older chronologically! 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Many many of us are praying for all of you in Naples. People in leadership are there one day, and then poof! Yes, I was there for ex-communication video. Thoughts from a person looking in. May the God of all comfort minister his comfort to them. Ted Haggard bemoans his "exile" in a new HBO documentary. I appreciate the Biblical distinction you made Sheila, in relation to the Bible calling us to be good ; which doesnt always mean being kind and nice. I am thankful that timing of other circumstances in my life led me to a new city to grow and find a faithful, healthy, growing, biblical church community. During Sunday services, Harvest showed a videoof members of the current elder board explaining why the church was placing the two former elders under church discipline: Church matters are not to be tried in the court of public opinion. First, they resigned, along with a third elder (who was not excommunicated only because he also left Harvest and was no longer a member), in protest of how the church was being run. Hmm. Do systems of accountability exist in practice, or only on paper? People meant evil but God works it out for our good. In our case we have been pulled away from our church as well because of how we have been treated for our daughters actions. These churches do not usually belong to any denominational body; this means that these pastors have no body above them that they are accountable to. Perhaps my fear had its legitimate reasons. He is really great at it I give him that. The resources are pulpit curriculum and bible words to talk about. Study-7:00 PM. Last November, Harvests new elders (all those who served under MacDonald stepped down) declared that their former pastor failed to meet the elder qualifications laid out in Scripture and could not return to their church. Someday, Fred, when you grow a spine, you need to come to me and beg my forgiveness for the unbiblical excommunication you were a part of in my situation. Thank you for sharing. Careers Workplace and Religion Columnists, Recreation Outdoors and Religion Columnists, Religious Music and Entertainment Columnists, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, revealed material obtained under subpoena, called into Mancow Mullers Chicago-area radio show. In addition to leading Harvest, MacDonald acquired a massive evangelical following through his books, Bible studies, and Walk in the Word radio program, with more than a million fans on Facebook. Sarah, I am so sorry for whatever happened to you. Do you not remember that God used His Chosen to reveal the sin of not only churches, in the New Testament, but also to Kings in Old Testament. Vicki Stevenson, I have not read your blogs for some time but the Holy Spirit caused me to stop and read this post. Pray for all the lost and unsaved who are not hearing the Gospel and our testimonies right now from our lips because sin has been made the main thing. The beloved drink is both an attraction and a generational divide. Isnt this just what the enemy of our souls would want? My first two books were scheduled to be released smack in the middle of that summer, and I didnt want to impact their potential not to mention that James had agreed to write the forward on my first book.. 2.) (Galatians 2:11-21) None of the perpetrators of hate and satanism have fully repented, including James, his despicable henchmen and the elders. This team is to be made up of congregants, staff, professionals, and elders, and will be headed by a church member. Basically hes a figurehead who can be dismissed on the whim of any elder or his wife. When I talk to people about this, they are quick to disqualify anyone who went along with James, who did not stand up to him. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman ruled by fear. I loved his book Vertical Church. So often, you would open your home to us. chose to suffer. All this comes on the heels of another scandal. The founder of a Chicago megachurch has been fired as its leader. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. The practice of medicine is not an exact science; neither is navigating very tough and painful circumstances such as this. In the past we were to study pulpit curriculum and bible vocabulary. Mike Winger Discusses When God Hardened Pharaohs Heart, Tennessee Church Showcases Tyre Nichols Photography, Louisiana Pastor Sentenced to 5 Years in Money Laundering Case Involving Nearly $900K in Stolen Funds, Steven Curtis Chapman First Contemporary Christian Artist To Earn 50th No. Thank you Lina, If you know anything about abuse it can take years to come forward. We attended Elgin from 2005 through 2008. My father went through prostate cancer. Nellie, be very, very careful! Her first year at college and her first visit to Harvest RM. It was not supposed to be that way. I am sorry that you experienced this fear. I am aware that there has been some very good ministry done through this church. Unreal as I went to Harvest for over 7 yrs and this whole situation has hurt so many people. The flock are the casualties in all of this. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. Now that these differences with MacDonald have come to resolution, our focus and full attention are on the future of Harvest Bible Chapel, they said. Sports Betting Hits a New High: A Crisis in the Making? Do elder boards mean anything, or are they just there to look pretty? She did not claim it was her trurh , but opinion. We are to find our faith and hope in the Message, not the messenger. What had these individuals done? I was too afraid to ask her why. I am so glad Lina has spoken up. These are the same elders that signed off on James filing the law suit against the Ryan Mahoney and his wife, Scott Bryant and his wife, and Julie Roys! Do you think God approves of pastors who deliberately scam their congregation for years, use his name for money and abuse people for the Almighty Dollar? On Monday morning, an edited version with the sermon only will be available on the Sermons and Studies page. In effect, the senior pastor isthe church. Thank you Lina! To judge a fellow brother and think you know if he is a believer is dangerous. Sheila, we are not called to be good, we are called to be HOLY! Others have gone before you in challenging HBC to help pave the way and have paid the consequences for their courage. They were sorry we felt that way and they were sorry we felt that way and have been pulled from. Do with it.. are you referring to the pastor believing he done. 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